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Section 1.7. All persons with a grandparent of Scots nationality have the right to be citizens of Scotland.

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    Administrator #1  •  2020-08-16 22:05:53

    Section 1.7. Section 1.7. All persons with a grandparent of Scots nationality have the right to be citizens of Scotland.

      • Caledonialan

        Section 1.7. Until independence, there is no Scots nationality. Many grandparents will have died before independence. The term "a grandparent of Scots nationality" should be modified to, probably "a grandparent born in Scotland". Even so, that does not cover people with parents but no grandparents born in Scotland, unless they were themselves born in Scotland or are resident there. Is it intended to exclude such people? The phrase "have the right to be" is also a little vague.

          • echr8

            Section 1.7. It would violate ECHR article 8 family life to exclude said folks. The words "parent or grandparent" hence are essential for compliance. There are more grounds than birth, + it would be wrong for a pair of second cousins to be one in one out just because one of their sibling grandparents was diaspora born by circumstantial chance. So "who would be citizens on other grounds than descent if article 1 was in force in their time"

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      • Liz g

        Section 1.7. Surprisingly open and generous Citizenship proposal .... This means Donald Trump can become a Scottish citizen and in theory become the Scottish Head of State.... which may have been outlandish a few years ago...but he became the Head of state in the USA , he owns land here and he does like Golf.... This requires more thought,we of course need people and can quite comfortably double our population, but the Constitution should not be a free for all vehicle for all time.
        We have to look to not binding future generations to an unsubsainable model and be mindful we are the top half of a middle size island.
        Also
        If we are to model Norways Oil Fund for the resources of Scotland to be held in trust for our citizens,we might want to look at their citizenship model too?

          • echr8

            Section 1.7. Dual citizenships exist, and are part of a connected cosmopolitan world. Dual citizenships always make it notionally possible for someone to become leader of 2 countries, unless a country has a law barring that. Have such a law if you like, but not by rejecting innocent folks' citizenship of their own country!
            ECHR article 8, family life, protects the necessity for unrefusable descent citizenship.

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Proposed Amendment to Section 1.7.

  • Caledonialan

    Section 1.7. All persons proving descent from a parent or grandparent born in Scotland have the right, on application, to be granted citizenship of Scotland.

      • echr8

        Section 1.7. "who would have any grounds of citizenship entitlement if article 1 had been in force in their lifetime", which wording actually includes the still living ones as well as the deceased. Because there are more such grounds than birth, and it's wrong for a pair of second cousins to be one entitled one not, just because one of their sibling grandparents was diaspora born by accident of circumstances at the time.

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      • echr8

        Section 1.7. It has to be open to more than birth, as citizenship itself is, as connection to a country is. So try "who would be citizens on other grounds than descent if article 1 was in force in their time"

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Proposed Amendment to Section 1.7.


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